Move from Fort Carson? [Poll Updated Please Re-Vote]

[Bankwell]

SF is pretty chill maybe it will get the cops off their rag

some people complain we don't do anything. some people complain we do too much. make your decision of what you want us to do??

[Panzerfaust]

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to like the San Fierro idea. Fort Carson just hasn't worked out the way it was intended, and all anyone ever does is stand around in town. Then they whine about the cops because all we do is hang around in town, even though that's only because everyone is there. Then they all whine about how SZR is dying because RP can only possibly work in urban environments.

I think SF would be an interesting change, and I think it should be considered once the work to make moving easier is complete. I don't want to go back to LS because, frankly, I know every single inch of that city like the back of my hand, and I'm sure a lot of other people are in the same boat. I don't like Venturas because it's basically the same size as Los Santos, flat, relatively boring, and on a personal level I'm not a huge fan of the casino motif. San Fierro is more compact than either of the two other cities, which is better for a server that's limited to under a hundred people, and all the hills would make for some interesting chases. Most of all, people will spread out again like they did in LS, instead of just standing around in a few block area like they do now.

Basically, I wish the countryside thing had worked, but it isn't. I think SF is probably the next best thing.

[Hippo Congruency]

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to like the San Fierro idea. Fort Carson just hasn't worked out the way it was intended, and all anyone ever does is stand around in town. Then they whine about the cops because all we do is hang around in town, even though that's only because everyone is there. Then they all whine about how SZR is dying because RP can only possibly work in urban environments.

I think SF would be an interesting change, and I think it should be considered once the work to make moving easier is complete. I don't want to go back to LS because, frankly, I know every single inch of that city like the back of my hand, and I'm sure a lot of other people are in the same boat. I don't like Venturas because it's basically the same size as Los Santos, flat, relatively boring, and on a personal level I'm not a huge fan of the casino motif. San Fierro is more compact than either of the two other cities, which is better for a server that's limited to under a hundred people, and all the hills would make for some interesting chases. Most of all, people will spread out again like they did in LS, instead of just standing around in a few block area like they do now.

Basically, I wish the countryside thing had worked, but it isn't. I think SF is probably the next best thing.

this ^
probably why i voted for san fierro

[Moe]

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to like the San Fierro idea. Fort Carson just hasn't worked out the way it was intended, and all anyone ever does is stand around in town. Then they whine about the cops because all we do is hang around in town, even though that's only because everyone is there. Then they all whine about how SZR is dying because RP can only possibly work in urban environments.

I think SF would be an interesting change, and I think it should be considered once the work to make moving easier is complete. I don't want to go back to LS because, frankly, I know every single inch of that city like the back of my hand, and I'm sure a lot of other people are in the same boat. I don't like Venturas because it's basically the same size as Los Santos, flat, relatively boring, and on a personal level I'm not a huge fan of the casino motif. San Fierro is more compact than either of the two other cities, which is better for a server that's limited to under a hundred people, and all the hills would make for some interesting chases. Most of all, people will spread out again like they did in LS, instead of just standing around in a few block area like they do now.

Basically, I wish the countryside thing had worked, but it isn't. I think SF is probably the next best thing.

this ^
probably why i voted for san fierro

posting another quote because this is so true

[Moe]

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to like the San Fierro idea. Fort Carson just hasn't worked out the way it was intended, and all anyone ever does is stand around in town. Then they whine about the cops because all we do is hang around in town, even though that's only because everyone is there. Then they all whine about how SZR is dying because RP can only possibly work in urban environments.

I think SF would be an interesting change, and I think it should be considered once the work to make moving easier is complete. I don't want to go back to LS because, frankly, I know every single inch of that city like the back of my hand, and I'm sure a lot of other people are in the same boat. I don't like Venturas because it's basically the same size as Los Santos, flat, relatively boring, and on a personal level I'm not a huge fan of the casino motif. San Fierro is more compact than either of the two other cities, which is better for a server that's limited to under a hundred people, and all the hills would make for some interesting chases. Most of all, people will spread out again like they did in LS, instead of just standing around in a few block area like they do now.

Basically, I wish the countryside thing had worked, but it isn't. I think SF is probably the next best thing.

this ^
probably why i voted for san fierro

posting another quote because this is so true

[Valentino]

SZR had 90+ players online 3-4 days in a row before moving to Fort Carson.... Hmmm...

GAYTOWN, USA - Created by Mickey ONeil. The server was based in the city of Fort Carson, near Area 51. It seemed crowded, but after the illusion wore off you realized you were always talking to the same 15 people in a tiny shit town.

The same shit happend to SZR after moving to Fort Carson - suprise... suprise...


And now we want to move to San Fierro? I'm not going to lie - this is a good idea - however PrimNet didn't hold out much longer than two months. Personally I'm all for San Fierro, I just fear it will fall to the same fate that PrimNet experienced.


And if SF doesn't work? Where next? Sounds like we'll be hopping to different cities every few months... which isn't a bad thing either imo, gives us some variety and changes it up.




Everyone just gathars in a central location on SZR - and thats about all that happens. We need to adress the issue of hardly any roleplay going on and how to stop these crowds.

[Hippo Congruency]

SZR had 90+ players online 3-4 days in a row before moving to Fort Carson.... Hmmm...

GAYTOWN, USA - Created by Mickey ONeil. The server was based in the city of Fort Carson, near Area 51. It seemed crowded, but after the illusion wore off you realized you were always talking to the same 15 people in a tiny shit town.

The same shit happend to SZR after moving to Fort Carson - suprise... suprise...


And now we want to move to San Fierro? I'm not going to lie - this is a good idea - however PrimNet didn't hold out much longer than two months. Personally I'm all for San Fierro, I just fear it will fall to the same fate that PrimNet experienced.


And if SF doesn't work? Where next? Sounds like we'll be hopping to different cities every few months... which isn't a bad thing either imo, gives us some variety and changes it up.




Everyone just gathars in a central location on SZR - and thats about all that happens. We need to adress the issue of hardly any roleplay going on and how to stop these crowds.

also quoting this because this is also true ^

[Boris_Stoyanov]

We should have Dillimore, Blueberry, Angel pine, and all the other green little towns. And you can place a crack factory on Mt. Chilliad or just have a mats point there, but moving back to a big city is gay, and we got from 20's population to 30,40's because of the change. I would prefer 40 in the 4 small towns than 15 in LV or SF and on a lot of nights there is 10-20 people online and you don't meet anyone especially in a big city which just makes it lonely and boring, so you just log off.

[Rob]

primnet collapsed under the hubris of its admin team and the total lack of support or advertising going on

it was, however, probably the best source of new ideas that szr has had in about 2 years really.

szr has about 3 cycles to its rise and fall every year: a massive influx when we reset the server, a slow diminishing population as poopsocking pubbies take rise over the core group of goons that come to check out the server, and then a complete and utter collapse of on the part of anyone that can speak english, culminating in a complete collapse of decent server population as droves of foreigners who speak moontalk and poopsock for hours on end. This takes around 5/6 months on average (SZR 1.0 took about 8)

the ironic thing is that this has happened 3 or 4 times, but the difference each time is the nationality of the foreigners: szr 1.0 had mainly aussies and eastern bloc/spaniards, 2.0 had mainly central american/south american (alguem brasil) & western european, and szr 3.0 has a massive influx of middle easterners

szr's problems with maintaining consistant interest in anyone worthwhile are thus: as a light rp server, you depend more on combat than anything else to attract people. combat requires an economy in order to buy materias in order to make weapons. SZR has no real economy as the inflation rate of cash in the system rises as the current iteration gets older. at a certain point deaths and buying guns become meaningless to the poopsocking populace of the server, and they then use their collective cash to grief "undesirables" (new players) off the server, ala bowerbanking it. new players connect, see what the server is all about, get griefed, then leave

the difference is now that gangs are by and large complete shit, the smaller gangs are the ones that are the focus of being shat on simply because of their smaller number of players in it. see: mafia in szr 1.0 being a huge behemoth of about 20 guys who could speak english, and around 90 who were recruited solely because they could rp well enough to pass whatever test we deemed at the time. by the end of szr 1.0, mafia had a faction bank of about 140 million and triple the number of players in it over the next largest gang, and not much was done about the complete retards of the mafia's lower ranks simply because of their number being to the point where even the people who recruited said lower rank dudes not even remembering who they were

what does this mean? light rp is fine, but its come to the point where szr is basically "no rp" involving shoot on sight between pd and gangs or between gangs and each other, creating a feedback loop where good players are punished simply by virtue of not having the willpower to poopsock enough while being shot at: see vagos under lockie in the horrendous fight vs both yakuza and grove

what can be done? advertise on forums that aren't run by backwoods idiots in bulgaria, institute a non-juke rp system (rp points was perhaps the dumbest thing to come out of szr since greg wanted to reinstitute ammo count for weapons: a complete and utter useless white elephant) that involves admins directly in the shaping of the server's politics (750k point battles anyone?), and simply change the server location so that small grudges don't become gigantic wars happening at the newbie spawn, and convoys to kill each other's players don't end up having to travel only 15 seconds to get to the opposing side

[Rob]

oh and changing the incredibly overdone, no people involved run mats forever fish dropcar then log way of creating power will go a long way towards making szr palatable to people who don't have thousands of hours to play in what is essentially murder simulator 2004

[aron9forever]

WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE





edit(making it less retarded): There should be a wipe because in the past, a lot of things changed, and it's not fair that some of us moved from LS with level 5 dropcar armsdeal, and after moving to FC, the matruns became longer, the /sellgun timer changed and stiff like mat supplies running out.
Wipe Wipe give noobs a chance to catch up. I still remember when, like 2 days after the wipe, i was among the most powerful people on the server, and prewipe i was a level 4 between level 36 mafias.

[Nelson_Green]

WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE





edit(making it less retarded): There should be a wipe because in the past, a lot of things changed, and it's not fair that some of us moved from LS with level 5 dropcar armsdeal, and after moving to FC, the matruns became longer, the /sellgun timer changed and stiff like mat supplies running out.
Wipe Wipe give noobs a chance to catch up. I still remember when, like 2 days after the wipe, i was among the most powerful people on the server, and prewipe i was a level 4 between level 36 mafias.

Sure lets make wipe every 6months or so, so SZR can finally die.

[Hippo Congruency]

WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE





edit(making it less retarded): There should be a wipe because in the past, a lot of things changed, and it's not fair that some of us moved from LS with level 5 dropcar armsdeal, and after moving to FC, the matruns became longer, the /sellgun timer changed and stiff like mat supplies running out.
Wipe Wipe give noobs a chance to catch up. I still remember when, like 2 days after the wipe, i was among the most powerful people on the server, and prewipe i was a level 4 between level 36 mafias.

we just had a wipe, hell no not again

[thegame13]

Wipe could be cool. Im for it.

[aron9forever]

WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE WIPE





edit(making it less retarded): There should be a wipe because in the past, a lot of things changed, and it's not fair that some of us moved from LS with level 5 dropcar armsdeal, and after moving to FC, the matruns became longer, the /sellgun timer changed and stiff like mat supplies running out.
Wipe Wipe give noobs a chance to catch up. I still remember when, like 2 days after the wipe, i was among the most powerful people on the server, and prewipe i was a level 4 between level 36 mafias.

Sure lets make wipe every 6months or so, so SZR can finally die.

Why die, i remember SZR being very populated after the wipe.

[Hippo Congruency]

why would we get ANOTHER wipe after such a short time, thats dumb

[aron9forever]

okok don't worry your poop is safe in your sock

[Moe]

Why isn't aron readonly yet?
Ohh wait, he's already evading it..

gtfo really

[Bell94]

The last week right before the move we always had 70-90 people online, when we moved it started going down to 20-40 again, and theres not really alot of roleplay servers in SF

Like effin said, it would be pretty cool if we moved To SF or even back to LS and it would be pretty good for a wipe again, well anyway when i get unbanned and if the server moves locations, im going to not be a dick anymore, so Move to LS or SF please.

[aron9forever]

okay, but if we move, we should move there for a long period of time..i mean look, we've been moved for a while but there are still a lot of things to do like modify /help and stuff, but we are moving again.
back to LS would be cool[i say that because i don't know shit in SF], but SF would be great too. Imagine goind to the wheel arc angels in 2 minutes, not having to go in a dead city to marry and stuff...

[Tyrone_Phillips]

All of these posts saying that SF is such a small town is beginning to worry me. San Fierro is probably the third largest town in the entire game (Behind LS and LV). Sure, it would be a little less crowded than LS was, but you must realize that SZR doesn't get up to 90 people anymore, we get forty at max. The only reason you people complain all day about how you never see anyone in the streets, is because you are either A) Poopsocking B)Just driving up and down main-street all day, or C) You just don't make an effort of any sort to actually strike a conversation with people. And you pinpoint the blame on the move to FC.

You guys seem to think that moving to a new town would increase RP among the community, and you are sadly mistaken. The smaller the town gets, the less empty space there is, and the more RP there is bound to happen. For you guys who say "All people do is DM", this was happening in LS, it was just so big that they weren't near anyone at the time, and no one would see the event occur.

The same people who were saying "Lets move, LS is getting OLDDDDDDDD" are the same exact people who are now complaining about how we need to move again. Moving will not solve player-based problems, one must persuade the players to have a more enjoyable experience, instead of just running mats all day to stock up for WWIII.

Edit: And for you people who say that the theme of FC is getting boring, and very bland, I can sort of agree, but that is why Rachael added all of the essentials in the nice green town of Blueberry.

[John Reed]

lets move to vcmp (vice city multiplayer)

[Montel_Chilliams]

Primnet was good until they ruined their own economy and carebeared the only war on the server by fagging it all up. SF has many "ghetto" buildings and a few neighborhoods, if you actually look for them.

[Mariano Agate]

The problem with Los Santos was that it was too big for us and people were getting bored of it. The point of Fort Carson was having everything more close to each other, to a point that almost every house was being used. The new problem emerging is that is too little creating a DM fest by the motel.

You can't blame the cops, they don't want to patrol the desert, so they stay patrolling in the small town.

San Fierro does have places where gangs, like MagC, can set their HQ. San Fierro is somehow like San Fransico, in the bay area, and there is ghetto places there. It's called the 'Projects' and they are basically low-income apartments. I'm from the bay are, I've seen projects in SF like the ones around here.


Fort Carson is a cluster fuck thing. Everyone hangs out at the motel, if a new guy spawning there punches someone then they will get shot at.

SF gives for space, not as much as LV or LS, for the gangs and cops to spread around.

[Montel_Chilliams]

There's really nothing negative anyone can come up with regards to moving to SF, probably why it's winning the votes by a landslide.