High Security Prison

[Robert_Boyer]

Has anyone suggested the idea of a high security prison that would harbor the roughest criminals? Leave it open for possible prison breaks, gives lawyers something more to work with, rookie cops could start as prison guards, at least some of them. I think it could add some neat roleplaying elements for families too.

Players who are put in this prison would spawn here no matter what, just like if they were in a family. I don't really know the mechanics involved with scripting, so I can't really go any further with details, but I think this would be awesome.

[Joe_Mama]

And inside the prison there will be swimming pools, and jobs that you can get. And don't make it interior, like half of SF the high security prison, so you can get jobs in there and pay off your debts :D

[Elroy_Jones]

I am not a coder so I have no idea if it could be put into the game, but I like it. Send career criminals here for a couple days and let them fend for themselves. Some fun jobs would be to make license plates and make big rocks smaller, think mat grinding but worse.

This does have some potential, hopefully its codeable (is that even a word?) and maybe we will see it in the future. The gravel pit west of LV might make a good prison.

[Robert_Boyer]

I am not a coder so I have no idea if it could be put into the game, but I like it. Send career criminals here for a couple days and let them fend for themselves. Some fun jobs would be to make license plates and make big rocks smaller, think mat grinding but worse.

This does have some potential, hopefully its codeable (is that even a word?) and maybe we will see it in the future. The gravel pit west of LV might make a good prison.

It would be cool to have people do hard time. I know if I were a king pin and I got put in the slammer for a long time on the server I'd take it as a roleplaying opportunity to flex my power, and show that even jail can't stop me. Or contain me.. if I can manage a prison break.

It also might get people out in the other areas of the map, if someone breaks out and needs to hide. I know "The population isn't big enough for this", but a few high level king pins could live high on the hog while their lackeys do all the work in the city. It's not totally unreasonable.

[Mackenzie]

Sounds fun in premise, but forcing people into a jail faction is certainly not something I would like done to me. Breaking rocks and making license plates sounds like tedium and prison gangs with infighting and such..well isnt that just a microcosm of what people already do in the game anyway? As an event this could work, as an established game mechanic, not too sure

[Robert_Boyer]

Sounds fun in premise, but forcing people into a jail faction is certainly not something I would like done to me. Breaking rocks and making license plates sounds like tedium and prison gangs with infighting and such..well isnt that just a microcosm of what people already do in the game anyway? As an event this could work, as an established game mechanic, not too sure

I don't think there should be breaking rocks and crap like that, don't think that would be fun either. People don't break rocks today, but the well behaved criminals get to do road cleaning duties etc. Which again.. another job for a rookie cop could be to drive a van around and have prisoners clean up the roads, and then also .. another opportunity for an escape. Of course give the attending cop everything he needs to keep things under control yet open enough for the possiblity of someone getting away.

Basically it would simulate a modern prison with visitations, phone calls, 'gifts', players would keep their chosen skills, and would have to discretely continue to do things.

Why not throw probation in the mix? A player is on probation a certain amount of time and has to be under watch until their probation time has been met, if they violate their probation.. back to jail.

[Nurgle]

/punk player
/accept daddy

[Robert_Boyer]

/accept conjugal

[Rho]

Some fun jobs would be to make big rocks smaller, think mat grinding but worse.

opposed to any kind of mining

[Robert_Boyer]

It's a good idea, though with some of the terms you're outlining it's a little impossible.

If executed with simple resolve, creating a world-within-a-world is possible (as far as I know). If there were any "gang" system, I think for it to work best there should be no system and have all the "roles" naturally RPed out. To elaborate on that, I'm speaking let pure human nature be the decider of who's prison boss, who's his LT's, etc, and NOT some complex system to cement people in positions. To be prison boss, you'd have to beatdown the current one successfully, or turn his men to your cause (Which might be hard considering he'd have a lot of cronies) rather than, after said beating down, asking if maybe he'd be nice enough as to transfer leadership to you. With the sort of people that would be going in this, that sort of system wouldn't work and would just be open to abuse, so the best option would be to have no "concrete" system at all with no commands and no perks, which would place emphasis on the in-character power and not OOC "I can do /command so do what I say" power. Just let all of them run riot (so to speak, with eachother) in the prison.

In terms of prison jobs, making it a permanent grind would be boring, and if it were that way the only people who'd bother to play it would be poopsockers who value their account too much. Which really, isn't a lot of people considering those people are the ones that usually stay out of trouble (I'm talking Simon Bowerbank characters here). There should be a smaller form of arms dealer (but completely unrelated to the OUTSIDE arms dealer - use a different form of mats incompatible with "outside" mats) within the prison, who smuggles knives (shivs) and possibly baseball bats, but to procure either would take lots of work (I'm thinking mat runs within the prison) so few inmates would be running around with weapons. Emphasis on combat would be on fists. Melee combat is a whole different ballpark compared to shooting, whoever's leader will be decided by whoever's best at fighting.

Other ideas for a job could be, following the logic of the smaller scaled arms dealer job, drugs dealer on a smaller scale. You'd get a limited (very small) amount of drugs from a secret location within the facility, and because they'd be so scarce you'd be able to charge a lot for them. Just hope that no one from the outside world is smart enough to sell drugs en masse through the prison fences; That'd be a job for the prison guards to undertake - maybe they could use some incentive.

Both jobs will be level-less to place emphasis on RP within the prison. If someone is put in the prison it's because they probably don't know what RP is or how to do it. Putting them in an environment where they're close to like minded individuals will force them to construct SOME form of heirarchy, arbitrarily teaching them how to RP. No matter how stupid the individual is, they're human, and when humans are put in a close environment, real and virtual, they always group in one way or another.

Like the ideas you've stated here. I agree, no grinding in the prison. Everything you said above is basically what I envisioned. I still think it would be cool if well-behaved inmates could reduce their stay time by doing community service, a van could take the inmates out along the road and they would have to /clean.
This would have a timer, and everything just like skills accept it would all go into their prison time.

[Robert_Boyer]

Like the ideas you've stated here. I agree, no grinding in the prison. Everything you said above is basically what I envisioned. I still think it would be cool if well-behaved inmates could reduce their stay time by doing community service, a van could take the inmates out along the road and they would have to /clean.
This would have a timer, and everything just like skills accept it would all go into their prison time.

Thanks.

The manual labor work could be done, but I'm not sure about the van part - most vans can only take 3 passengers, and some (SWAT Enforcer, SWAT Wagon) don't even have working backdoors, so they can only take one passenger at a time. What could be possible is, prison guards have the ability to grant inmates permission to do manual labor (Guard types /mlabor [ID]), a marker appears on a fixed location for the guard and the inmate(s), where they have to walk out to (I'm thinking the road by area 51, where I envision the prison being) and do /clean a certain amount of times before going back in, and having their time shortened.

I'm playing with the idea of either attaching a timer to manual labor, that is, after the time's expired the guard and inmate are teleported back to the prison. As I said, the emphasis is to be on RP but instilling that amount of RP where it's voluntary (and hence, the inmate just running away and not doing labor) could have disastrous effects pertaining to abuse. I think that's the best option, instilling that much free will in a person being punished for abusing said will would be stupid.

Nice points there, and great work around. I'd like to see something like this. I wonder how hard it would be to code?

[Al_Yu]

Some fun jobs would be to make big rocks smaller, think mat grinding but worse.

opposed to any kind of mining

It's not bad when you get like 3 hulks triple boxed.

[Elroy_Jones]

Some fun jobs would be to make big rocks smaller, think mat grinding but worse.

opposed to any kind of mining

It's not bad when you get like 3 hulks triple boxed.

I can pull in 50 units of ark every minute with my pimped out mining domi and drones.

[Mrado]

Sounds very cool.

[Robert_Boyer]

I agree. I also may watch too much Prison Break.

[gregory]

the high security prison is called area 69


far away in some desert, only for crimnals who completely suck. require 20 minutes minimum.


good times, ggooooood times.